I have the motor attachment which I took off. I have no intention of using a trolling motor strictly paddling. My question do I have to register the canoe????
Live in beautiful Deval State (Massachusetts)????
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B52 bugger |
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I recently bought a 14 ft Radisson canoe. The previous owner had it registered. He used a 4 horse trolling motor with it.
I have the motor attachment which I took off. I have no intention of using a trolling motor strictly paddling. My question do I have to register the canoe???? Live in beautiful Deval State (Massachusetts)???? |
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spinzo |
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If your canoe is not propelled by a motor (electric or gas), you don't have to register.
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JeffSod |
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Yes, Spinzo has it correct. Registration is only required if you use a gas or electric motor for propulsion. Why you should have to register electric is beyond me but you do. |
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Wee Hooker |
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HOWEVER, as I recall from many a painful experience (including one in particular and shared by Jeffsod) , You still should have gotten a title with the canoe. ( Anything 14' and over as I recall). Without YOU having a title in hand, you cannot legally sell it to the next guy. Furthermore, he cannot ever register it without having to go back to the last guy who had it registered.. ( Read: It's worth less in resale AND can make life hard latter.) It's a real PITA . Especially when talking about a $75 canoe. ........ I would call DEM and find out how to do it right., they are pretty helpful.
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Actually if it is a square stern you may need to register it. I believe the regs state if it is propelled by a motor or is intended to be motorized it needs to be registered.
If he registered it before than he must have a title. |
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Wee Hooker |
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It's been a while since I owned one but arn't the Raddisons/Sports pals, JUST under 14'? If so, life gets easy again. p.s. Does this mean youve retired/sold off the Old Town Pac ?
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WetFlyAction.fiberglassflyro... |
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If it is not motorized, it does not need to be registered.
Under/over 14 feet only effects the price of the registration, not the need for it. If it was a trolling motor, it probably wasn't 4hp. 50lb thrust = approx 1hp. There is nothing on the state's website about "intended to be motorized", just a statement that boats need to be registered even if the motor is not the primary means of power, which refers to sailboats with motors for backup. They have electric motors up to 5hp last time I checked, they have to draw the line somewhere and IMO anything motorized makes as much sense as any other standard. I hope this is helpful. |
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Wee Hooker |
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WetFlyAction wrote:Your correct in that Over /under 14' does not affect need for registration only price. ( I pay ALLOT for my 17'3" OT square stern!) It DOES affect need for title and ability to register. Lack of title WILL keep you from getting it registered if it is over 14'. Technically, it's even illegal to buy a boat over 14' in MA without the title or certificate of origin. Having spent allot of time buying , selling and owning (dozens) of small boats, I have learned how anal the state is on this issue all to well. p.s. Also in the interest of clarity, while it is impossable to equate thrust to Hp, the general industry rule of thumb is that 15.5 # thrust is equivilant to the thrust produced by a similarly propped 1 hp gas motor. Electrics do not really compete with gas engines for allot fo reasons. Mainly electrics are rigged for pulling power with very flat pitched blades while gas engines are propped with faster pitch's for a mix of speed and power. . i.e You will never get a commercial 4 hp "trolling motor" to produce the speed of even a 3 hp gas engine.
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B52 bugger |
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Wee Hooker, I still have the pack, I got the Radisson so I can enjoy the wife's company. Also I feel so much better in using the Radisson with someone fishing. So much sturdier.
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WetFlyAction.fiberglassflyro... |
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Interesting stuff for sure. Appreciate the info. Looking around the net I am seeing figures all over the place for converting hp to thrust...... All I can say is that my vintage 17lb thrust motor sure feels like a whole lot less than 1hp. What is also interesting is how little power it takes to push a canoe through calm water, and how much some chop can slow you down.
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Wee Hooker |
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WetFlyAction wrote: Yea, again it's the prop. "trolling motors" are not built for speed. Even a 4 hp electric trolling motor won't give much more speed than a typical 30#. It will PULL allot more weight /give better control in wind. It's like locking your car in low gear. Been there -Done that (several times.) IMHO, electric outboards make a poor choice of primary ppower for all but the shortest trips on the calmet waters. They always seem to run out of juice when you need it most. That's why I keep a gas powered 2 hp, 4 h, 5 hp and 6 hp in the rack ;-). I keep the 2 just for canoe/etc as it scoots one along and weighs 23 # with fuel. . As you say , it doesn't take much. ( Even my 1972 vintage 10# thrust MK, will push my canoes on a calm day.) Fwiw, (putting my Mechanical engineer hat on here.) HP is a measure of power. Thrust is measure of force. You can estimate with assumptions but they are different measurements and not directly comparable. ( Much like HP and speed.) Happy to help.
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