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Shakeyfly.clarksclassicfl...	Kaufmann's Stonefly		Lead	[-]
Posts: 62 11/17/09 07:13:07	Tags : None I really like this pattern and it's about time that I start tying them. Recently, as in the past year or so, I have decided I am done with buying flies, unless they are show flies or I might buy one to copy, if I don't know the pattern etc. I lost my last store bought Kaufmann Stonefly and now tying up my own, but after following the recipes online, I am noticing that my stoneflies are no where near as fat or has a lot of density like the others. Any tips from you veteran tyers out there, on how to build up the girth of the stonfly without closing down the gap? I tried using thick dubbing, but then the ribbing just dissappears in it. I then tried using lead wire, and triple wrapping lead wire into a taper (this method worked best so far I guess, but I am just worried about the gap.) Any help on this woudl be greatly appreciated. Also... does anyone else use rubber legs on their big stones? Any other substitues that I could use or is suggested? I'm going to be targeting steelies in a few days with these guys..
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albcorb		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 30 11/17/09 16:11:47	Shakey I think you can use pheasant tail quill for legs as well as goose biot. Rubber legs are OK too. Have you tried laying lead along side of the hook to give it more width? Maybe try twisting a dubbing rope and tapering it forward to the thorax. Good luck and have fun with the steel
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JeffSod		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 844 11/17/09 18:48:29 Registered Member	Whats a stonefly?? Seriously I haven't tied one myself. But somewhere there must be a tip on making the body.
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Shakeyfly.clarksclassicfl...		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 62 11/18/09 11:30:22	ok so this is my findings... I laid one piece of lead on one side, and a piece of lead on the other side of the shank. I then wrapped lead around the hook basically making an oval shaped body, then I passed more lead over that oval and then once more... Basically triple stacking lead. Then I wrapped it in some left over pieces of chenile, and then secured everything with black flat thread. then tied on the biots. After dubbing the body thickly. It created a very nice FAT body, and didn't close the gap off too much. but the big trick was suggested by alcorb which was expanding the body out with the lead on the sides!!! It looks killer and it sinks like a rock to the rocks, where these suckers live! It's defintiely going to catch me something. I am even thinking of adding a tungsten bead head, flipping it over and adding crawdad claws for bass.
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Shakeyfly.clarksclassicfl...		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 62 11/18/09 11:42:56	Trying to get a picture of one up to share...
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Shakeyfly.clarksclassicfl...		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 62 11/18/09 11:44:54	Jeff here is a picture of what I was trying to make. I don't have a picture of mine yet. http://shop.cimarroncreek.com/store/pc/catalog/Umpqua_KaufmannRLStone.jpeg
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carlz.fiberglassflyro...		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 02/21/10 16:17:43	When Tying on the lead, as shakeyfly mentioned, tie in the lead on both sides of the hook (it looks like a pontoon boat). The other option is to wrap you lead on the hook as usual and then smash it down with needle nose pliers. This gets a nice wide body. Carl
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albcorb		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 30 02/22/10 16:27:58	I also use the flat twist on lead strips trimmed to shape and tied on top of the hook.
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Rockthief		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 28 02/26/10 23:24:39	keep with the dubbing, starting with a small amount and add more as you approach the thorax. THe ribbing has two purposes, one to mimic segments in the bug's body and two to anchor the dubbing. Maybe you could use flat tinsel instead of wire. Sometimes I use sewing thread which is thick instead of wire or tinsel. Also, it might be that your dubbing is not applied tightly enough so then the ribbing sinks into the dubbing. You could add all the weight material at the thorax as well and then you would already have your thickness, or some of it, before you started to dub. I use any yarn I have on hand and put some wraps for the thorax and then dub over that. Those stoneflies are not an ez tie and mine are not pretty but I am getting there. Paul
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albcorb		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 30 02/28/10 05:14:10	Here's a side shot of one using flat lead weight I dubbed under the body swannie ribbing for sizing as well as thorax
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